From: Kenneth Whistler (email@example.com)
Date: Thu Dec 20 2007 - 14:19:45 CST
> On Dec 19, 2007, at 7:20 PM, Ed Trager wrote:
> > I forgot to add that the default should be CE/BCE precisely because it
> > is religiously neutral as the religioustolerance.org article points
> > out.
> With respect, I disagree. CLDR defaults should be based on prevalent
> use. If BC/AD are still more common, then use those as the defaults.
> CLDR should be descriptive, not prescriptive.
Again, everybody seems to be missing the point that there are
two *competing* sets of era terms here, not one set of terms
with one translation for it being in more prevalent use.
The CLDR participants have gone to the trouble, for example, to
document *239* Japanese era names in the repository, for the
calendar-japan entries. So the number of era entries in
the database for any one calendar is certainly not the issue.
I don't see the problem with acknowledging that there are two
sets of era terminology for the Gregorian calendar, and then
augmenting the current entries:
calendar-gregorian era -Abbr BC
calendar-gregorian era -Name Before Christ
calendar-gregorian era -Abbr AD
calendar-gregorian era -Name Anno Domini
with the entries:
calendar-gregorian era -Abbr BCE
calendar-gregorian era -Name Before Common Era
calendar-gregorian era -Abbr CE
calendar-gregorian era -Name Common Era
and then just get on with the business of collecting
localized names for all of these.
German: v. Chr, n. Chr.
French: av. J.-C., ap. J.-C.
for the first set, and:
German: v.u.Z, u.Z (or whatever happens to be in prevalent use now)
This gets CLDR out of this embroilment in cultural and
religious wars over terminology. Or are we all just so
damn partisan these days that we can't manage to see our
way clear to obvious compromise solutions?
And if there is software widely deployed that depends on
there being exactly one set of Gregorian calendar era terms
defining exactly two eras for it in CLDR, then I submit
that that software is broken for localization, because it
has adopted a model that prevents it from actually presenting
calendrical dates formatted to users' local preferences.
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