RE: The Geejay

From: Kenneth Whistler (
Date: Thu Jan 03 2008 - 15:04:28 CST

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    Michael wrote:

    > The thing is clearly a capital letter, being based on a capital G.

    It is no such thing. It is based on a fusion of the capital G
    and the lowercase j, as everybody else has pointed out already.

    > I
    > don't believe it is caseless, or lower-case, despite its use in
    > phonetic text.

    And I concur with Peter, Asmus and others, disagreeing with you.

    > The small script g is in my view its natural
    > lower-case pair;

    That is more than just wrong -- it would create implementation
    issues because the small script g has a compatibility
    decomposition, undergoes changes in NFKC and NFKD normalization
    forms, and is part of the paradigmatic set of math
    alphanumeric symbols, which already *HAS* an uppercase
    script G, U+1D4A2 MATHEMATICAL SCRIPT CAPITAL G, -- which
    is clearly *NOT* the French-in-German-GEEGAW we are talking

    > Andreas' small-caps G-with-j-and-dot-above is a far
    > worse and unnecessary invention.

    Well, I do agree that we don't need to go there, either.

    The simplest and safest way to handle this is to treat it
    as another one-off symbol that saw some minor usage in
    a limited set of German dictionaries, and to treat it
    in Unicode as a letterlike symbol, comparable to several
    other "ligated" letter-letter combinations that got
    into the standard for non-orthographic, special uses:

    2104;CENTRE LINE SYMBOL;So;0;ON;;;;;N;C L SYMBOL;;;;
    2114;L B BAR SYMBOL;So;0;ON;;;;;N;;;;;

    and so on.

    This should be encoded simply as:

    XXXX;G J SYMBOL;So;0;ON;;;;;N;;;;;

    and be done with it.

    Note that the dictionary in question itself treats this
    as other than a Latin letter:

    "Französische Laute ... werden durch lateinische Buchstaben
    oder besondere Zeichen erläutert (...)."

    And in the context, it is quite clear that the "besondere
    Zeichen" in question consist of the GEEGAW symbol and the
    subscripted tildes to represent nasalization of vowels.


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