RE: Why people still want to encode precomposed letters

From: Murray Sargent (
Date: Sat Nov 15 2008 - 15:40:52 CST

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    The barred o with combining macron (U+04E9 U+0304) looks decent using Arial Unicode MS and Lucida Sans Unicode on Vista, but you're right that the combining macron isn't placed correctly when rendered with the most common Windows fonts. This can be fixed with minor changes to the appropriate OpenType tables.

    Is there any reason that viewing your Orok.png file requires accepting a license agreement?


    -----Original Message-----
    From: [] On Behalf Of Karl Pentzlin
    Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 9:58 AM
    To: Unicode Mailing List
    Subject: Why people still want to encode precomposed letters

    I am just writing a mail to someone in Russia who suggests to encode a "barred o with macron" which is used in the Orok language.
    Trying to explain to him that the encoding of such letters is not needed, as sequences like U+04E9 U+0304 are appropriate, I have created a little Internet page to prove this:

    I am horrified to see the result, using a computer with the newest version of Microsoft Vista and Internet Explorer (see attached Orok.png). Firefox does not perform better.

    Thus, sequences like U+04E9 U+0304 are NOT appropriate to fulfil the user's needs, as long as leading operating systems behave like this more than 10 years after Unicode has decided no longer to accept precomposed characters.

    Microsoft et al., PLEASE do your homework! Please do it RIGHT NOW!

    - Karl Pentzlin

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