From: Karl Pentzlin (karl-pentzlin@acssoft.de)
Date: Fri Mar 27 2009 - 06:27:24 CST
Am Donnerstag, 26. März 2009 um 23:11 schrieb Joó Ádám:
JÁ> ... and I can only hope that WG2 has the wisdom
JÁ> and goodwill not to further set back the encoding of Old Hungarian,
JÁ> already pending for more than 10 years now, just because the presence
JÁ> of multiple ... proposals.
This position is strongly supported by the German comments to PDAM7,
which explicitly request the inclusion of Old Hungarian.
These comments state (see WG2 document N3592-G at
http://std.dkuug.dk/jtc1/sc2/wg2/docs/n3592-G.pdf ) :
Germany requests to include the script which is
called Old Hungarian in the WG2 document N3531
(by Michael Everson et al.) and Szekler-Hungarian
Rovas in document N3527 (by Gábor Hosszú).
Germany recommends to follow N3531 (which
includes the naming of the script as "Old
Hungarian"), with the following deviations:
1. The block shall have the size of 8 columns and
shall be allocated at U+10C80 … U+10CFF, to
provide room for some additions like described
below (even if these are not added in the first step).
2. The code points of the character proposed
10C90...10CF5 and 10CFF shall be shifted
downwards by (dec.) 16, thus occupying
10C80...10CE5 and 10CEF. The code points of
the character proposed 10CFA...10CFE shall be
shifted downwards by (dec.) 17, thus occupying
10CE9...10CED, leaving a gap at 10CEE for a 500
symbol, whether this will added in the first step or
not.
Germany favors to encode an additional U+10CEE
OLD HUNGARIAN NUMBER FIVE HUNDRED
based on the U+1AB5 SZEKLER-HUNGARIAN
ROVAS NUMBER FIVE HUNDRED proposed in
N3527 (but named according to the rules in N3531),
as the evidence of use by an (admittedly very small)
minority of the users of Old Hungarian is shown in
N5327. This minority would prevented to propagate
the use of the 500 symbol, although this symbol is
not more novel or idiosyncratic as most of the
recently proposed Emoji symbols.
Germany favors to encode the eight ligatures which
correspond to single Latin letters:
U+10CF0 OLD HUNGARIAN CAPITAL LETTER Q
U+10CF1 OLD HUNGARIAN CAPITAL LETTER W
U+10CF2 OLD HUNGARIAN CAPITAL LETTER X
U+10CF3 OLD HUNGARIAN CAPITAL LETTER Y
U+10CF4 OLD HUNGARIAN SMALL LETTER Q
U+10CF5 OLD HUNGARIAN SMALL LETTER W
U+10CF6 OLD HUNGARIAN SMALL LETTER X
U+10CF7 OLD HUNGARIAN SMALL LETTER Y
as in the context of the concurrent use of the script
with the Latin script, there especially names written
in Latin must be able to be represented uniquely
and reversibly in the Old Hungarian script, not
confined to names which are inherently Hungarian.
Thus, unlike the other ligatures proposed in N3527,
these ligatures get the quality of letters like the Latin
Æ/e (AE/ae, U+00C6/U+00E6) which are ligatures
in origin but due to their usage context qualify as
letters to be encoded. Recurring to mechanisms like
ZWJ is considered a pseudo-encoding which as
such is to be avoided.
- Karl Pentzlin
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