Re: Japanese font that includes Italics

From: Yasuo Kida (kida@apple.com)
Date: Wed Aug 12 2009 - 18:03:00 CDT

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    > ... she requires "real" italics to be used, not "fake" italics by
    > slanting or skewing the text.

    It sounds like you are looking for professional results for formal or
    semi-formal documents (not comics etc.).

    Like a few people already pointed out, there is no italic in Japanese
    typography. Instead of looking for the style, probably one approach
    you could take is to find out why the italic style is used in the
    original text, and find out what techniques are used to achieve the
    same thing in Japanese typography.

    Probably changing the weight or size of the font might work. Or I
    believe InDesign-J supports Kenten (http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/
    圏点) which is more traditional way for emphasizing a word or a
    phrase. I am not a design professional and I am not the right person
    to make recommendations or suggestions though.

    If you are looking for different Japanese typefaces the following site
    is the best one as far as I know. It is in Japanese but probably you
    can navigate through by looking at images.
    http://www.akibatec.net/wabunfont/category/category.html

    - kida

    On 2009/08/12, at 15:25, Christine Snow wrote:

    > Exactly. A different font that shows Japanese in a script/italic/
    > however-you-want-to-describe-it style. That is what I am looking for.
    >
    > I was hoping for some specific fonts, sites, any info that is proven
    > to have worked for someone, or has been useful, instead of
    > recreating the wheel and starting from scratch.
    >
    > Thanks for everyone's responses!
    > Christine
    >
    >
    > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Phillips, Addison
    > <addison@amazon.com> wrote:
    > I doesn't have any meaning in terms of real Japanese layout. In this
    > case it probably just means "don't oblique a standard font"??
    >
    > It is instructive to note that the word "italic" never appears
    > anywhere in the W3C's "Requirements for Japanese Text Layout" [1].
    > There is a quite extensive section on emphasis, however.
    >
    > Probably a better option, if the idea is to preserve the visual
    > impact of italics, would be to use a different font, such as one in
    > the "calligraphic" style (as opposed to Mincho or Gothic "printed"
    > style fonts). This will still probably look really weird to Japanese
    > people. But it might be better than, ur, an italic Japanese font?
    >
    > [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/jlreq
    >
    > Regards,
    >
    > Addison
    >
    > Addison Phillips
    > Globalization Architect -- Lab126
    >
    > Internationalization is not a feature.
    > It is an architecture.
    >
    > > -----Original Message-----
    > > From: unicode-bounce@unicode.org [mailto:unicode-bounce@unicode.org]
    > > On Behalf Of Clark S. Cox III
    > > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 2:36 PM
    > > To: Christine Snow
    > > Cc: Unicode Mailing List
    > > Subject: Re: Japanese font that includes Italics
    > >
    > >
    > > On Aug 12, 2009, at 1:51 PM, Christine Snow wrote:
    > >
    > > > I am looking for a Japanese font that includes italics option. My
    > > > client has InDesign files that will be localized into Japanese
    > > and
    > > > she requires "real" italics to be used, not "fake" italics by
    > > > slanting or skewing the text.
    > >
    > > What does "real" italics even mean in the context of Japanese text?
    > >
    > >
    > >
    >
    >



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