Re: ligature usage - WAS: How do we find out what assigned code points aren't normally used in text?

From: Philippe Verdy <>
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 06:18:43 +0200

I clearly see ligatures when zooming in, and the ligature disappears
when I select an individual character (Is that a rendering issue of
the Arial font, where the glyphs are colliding, and the collisions are
not expected when performing individual character selections ?)

I also see these ligatures occuring with Times New Roman. And anyway
if CSS3 continues like it is currently specified, it should be the
default expected behavior of browsers.

2011/9/13 Jukka K. Korpela <>
> 12/09/2011 20:29, Philippe Verdy wrote:
>> I see those ligatures applied in Chrome v.13.0.782.220 over Windows 7
>> SP1 French, just when reading this email in Gmail which renders it with
>> the stock Arial font of Windows (no webfont used). My locale preferences
>> in the browser and in my Gmail profile are first in French (France),
>> then English (US).
>> Zoom in, you'll see that these ligatures are rendered by default. Still
>> you can select the individual letters in "fi" or "fl" or "ffi" or "ffl",
>> copy-pasting to another document from the browser generates 2
>> characters, and a DOM inspection of the HTML document with the
>> Developers tools shows that there are affectively two letters in the
>> HTML document (and no ZWJ in the middle).
> So how did you conclude that there are any ligatures? As far as I can see, the fi and fl ligatures in Arial are identical in appearance with the corresponding two-letter combinations, and ffi and ffl ligatures do not exist in Arial.
> If it looks like two characters, walks like two characters...
> --
> Yucca,
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