Re: Greek astrology

From: Szelp, A. Sz. <>
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 20:59:26 +0100

Oh, actually the *very*hompage*you*linked* makes it quite clear, that these
are not symbols, but abbreviatures (emphasis by color by me; the original
page uses a somewhat unusual transliteration scheme):
— These are just completely ordinary late ancient/medieval abbreviations, I
would not think that they are encodable. (Use ZWJ, if you must).

To demonstrate: the name for the midheaven is written in Greek asmesouranhma,
the English transliteration of which is *Mesuranima* and the translation of
which is 'midheaven' or 'middle of the sky'. The equivalent Latin term,
which has remained in use, is *Medium Coeli*. Just as we abbreviate *M*
edium *C*oeli to MC, the Greek word *m*esou*r*anhma is abbreviated to
mr,which is worked into a symbol (see fig.6.D below) by allowing the
letter mu (m) to cut across the down stroke of the Greek letter rho (r).

 [image: Ascendant symbol] [image: IC symbol] [image: Descendant] [image:
MC symbol] A) AscendantB) IC C) DescendantD) MC
Fig. 6, the abbreviations and symbols of the angular house names

A similar approach is used to generate the symbol for the ascendant. The
Greek word *w**r*os*k*opoV transliterates as *Horoskopos*, which is easily
recognised as meaning 'hour-marker' or 'hour-watcher'. Here the abbreviated
(emboldened) characters are combined so that the down stroke of rho (r)
cuts across omega (w), and rests on top of kappa (k). This is one of only
four symbols which have been noticed in ancient Greek charts. The others
are the glyph for the midheaven which has just been described, and those
for the Sun and Moon which are detailed below. Currently this symbol has
the oldest heritage, appearing without the underlying kappa in a papyrus
from Karanis relating to the year 182. Of course, when the underlying kappa
is removed, the glyph for the ascendant and that of the midheaven appear
very similar, and in some charts the same symbol seems to have been used to
mark either or both the ascendant and

The name of the descendant shown here is not so much a symbol as an
abbreviation with a raised character at the end. This presents the first
four letters of the Greek word dunwn, which transliterates as *dunon* and
translates as 'setting' or 'western' or 'evening' (in the same way that the
word *oriens* can mean 'eastern' 'rising' or 'morning'; all of these words
originating from the same root).

The symbol that we see under the 4th house comprises the first two
characters of the Greek word *u**v*ogeion [!], with pi (v) resting on top
of upsilon (u). The transliteration of this word is *ypogeon* and its
translation 'under-earth' (or 'underground' or 'underworld') presents a
close association with traditional astrological references to the 4th house
as 'under the earth'. Our common abbreviation I.C., derives from the
Latin* Immum
Coeli *which translates as 'lower heaven', but this older term seems to do
a better job of conveying the underworld mythology that is anciently
associated with the 4th house, and its interpretative role in describing
what lies beneath the surface of the ground.

On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Raymond Mercier <> wrote:

> **
> I think I had somehow assumed that the symbols used in Greek Horoscopes
> had already been encoded, but it seems not.
> The four signs used to mark the principal corners (ascendant, etc) of the
> horoscope diagram are shown in the attachment, taken from
> These four signs should be encoded along with the zodiacal signs U+2648 to
> U+2653.
> Perhaps they are already in the pipeline ?
> Best wishes
> Raymond Mercier
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