Re: The usage of Z WITH STROKE

From: Janusz S. Bień <>
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 07:20:55 +0100

Thanks for all the interesting asnwers. I will focus now on my first

On Fri, Nov 25 2016 at 15:38 CET, writes:
> Hi!
> There are two comments to the character(s) in the U0180 chart:
> 1. Pan-Turkic Latin orthography
> 2. handwritten variant of Latin “z”
> Ad 1.
> Do I understand correctly that the Pan-Turkic Latin ortography
> refers to the initiative described in the post to the Linguist list:


The initiative was made in March 1993, the character appeared already in
Unicode 1.1.0 in June 1993. Do you think it is possible and/or probable
that the comment refers to the very initiative?

On Fri, Nov 25 2016 at 16:05 CET, writes:


> P.S. What pan-turkic orthography is concerned, there were also a lot
> of pan-turkic Latin alphabets in revolutionary
> Soviet Union (1920s) before Cyrillic alphabets were introduced in the
> Stalin era.
> P.P.S. You are certainly aware of this article:

On Fri, Nov 25 2016 at 17:18 CET, writes:

> The use of Latin (vs Arabic or Cyrillic) alphabets in Turkic
> languages has been a heavily political subject for the whole 20th
> century. You can find a lots of information of the pre-1991 situation
> in Mark Dickens’ article “Soviet Language Policy in Central Asia”
> . The end of USSR in
> 1991 was the occasion of new reform, but some were cancelled, like for
> Tatar, since the only official alphabet allowed in Russia is Cyrillic
> (see
> However, the modern (1990’s) turkic alphabets do not contain ƶ
> . It was used for
> waht is know written with j in the 1930’s USSR’s uniform Turkic
> alphabet aka Jaꞑalif
> The Wikipedia pages of Azerbaijani, Turkman, Crieman Tatar anad Usbek
> alphabets mention this historical use
> ,
> ,
> ,
> .
> This letter was also used for other orthographies : The 1931–41 Latin
> Mongolian orthography
> (, and a 1992
> Latin orthography used by secessionist Chechens

Thanks for all the information and the links (I was familiar with some
of them, but not all).

Now there is a follow-up question: why the character was included in
Unicode 1.1.0? And there are also two other related questions:

1. Is there an easy way to check whether the character existed already
in pre-Unicode character sets? I'm aware about a difficult way,
i.e. browsing International Register of Coded Character Sets to be Used
with Escape Sequences.

2. Which characters codes were included in the Unicode round-trip test?
Was the list ever published somewhere? There used to be available the
files containing mappings from some legacy codes to Unicode, I can't
find them now. Perhaps the mappings where prepared just for the
round-trip codes?

Best regards


Prof. dr hab. Janusz S. Bien -  Uniwersytet Warszawski (Katedra Lingwistyki Formalnej)
Prof. Janusz S. Bien - University of Warsaw (Formal Linguistics Department),,
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