RE: No Invisible Character - NBSP at the start of a word

From: Jony Rosenne (
Date: Wed Nov 24 2004 - 14:22:04 CST

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    Ketiv and Qere, were two different words are written together, are not plain
    text and are thus out of scope for Unicode.

    For Unicode, one could either choose one version or the other or write them
    both separately.


    > -----Original Message-----
    > From:
    > [] On Behalf Of Peter Kirk
    > Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 2:36 PM
    > To: Unicode List
    > Subject: No Invisible Character - NBSP at the start of a word
    > I understand that the proposed INVISIBLE CHARACTER was
    > rejected at the
    > recent UTC meeting. I presume that the intention is that NBSP
    > should be
    > used instead.
    > There are cases of words which start with spacing combining
    > marks, for
    > which there are no separate Unicode characters. For example,
    > there are
    > some unusual biblical Hebrew word forms (Ketiv consonants with Qere
    > vowels, the forms printed in Hebrew Bibles) which start with spacing
    > combining marks. For some examples (in fact this is intended to be an
    > exhaustive list of such words), see
    >, the
    > "blended forms" column of rows with the note "point before word".
    > This UTC decision leaves is in a situation in which such
    > words need to
    > be represented in Unicode with NBSP and combining marks at
    > the start of
    > a word. Does this lead to problems with HTML, XML etc? Are
    > there cases
    > in which this word initial NBSP will be combined with a
    > preceding word
    > space, and so the intended word spacing and break opportunity (before
    > the NBSP) may be lost?
    > In the Hebrew case, it is probably necessary to precede the NBSP with
    > RLM to ensure that the NBSP and combining mark are taken with
    > the rest
    > of the word as right-to-left. Does this inserted RLM affect the
    > situation with HTML, XML etc?
    > --
    > Peter Kirk
    > (personal)
    > (work)

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