Re: Engmagate?

On 12/12/2013 2:25 PM, Leo Broukhis wrote:
> Hmmm... As a person with Russian as the first language I can assure
> you that from any literate Russian-speaking person's perspective
> italic ū is an unacceptable and *WRONG* representation of п (because
> in Russian, unlike Serbian, there is й). Should we bother disunifying?

This example adds the issue of font style - because for styles other
than italic, the issue doesn't exist. I would take that as a stronger
indication that this is an issue that belongs in glyph space.
>
> The fact that the lowercase letter is the same in both cases proves
> that the difference between N-Eng and n-Eng is purely stylistic rather
> than semantic. Unicode shouldn't bother with those minutia.

What about the reverse case, where the uppercase is the same and the
lower case isn't?

There are precedents in Unicode where these have been disunified.

U+00D0 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER ETH
U+0189 LATIN CAPITAL LETTER AFRICAN D

look exactly identical.

Precedents like this make the issue considerably less than clear cut,

>
> > I suppose nothing will happen until the governments of eng-using
> countries come together with a proposal.
>
> Let's hope so. I wish they never do.

Lets hope they come together and endorse a solution that takes into
account not only rendering, but identifier security issues as well. And
while they are at it, I wouldn't refuse if they squared the circle.

A./
>
> Leo
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Michael Everson <everson_at_evertype.com
> <mailto:everson_at_evertype.com>> wrote:
>
> On 12 Dec 2013, at 15:29, Leo Broukhis <leob_at_mailcom.com
> <mailto:leob_at_mailcom.com>> wrote:
>
> > Hasn't http://www.unicode.org/standard/where/#Variant_Shapes
> explained it once and for all?
>
> No, because users of N-shaped capital Eng consider n-shaped
> capital Eng to be *WRONG*, not an acceptable variant. And because
> n-shaped capital Eng consider N-shaped capital Eng to be *WRONG*,
> not an acceptable variant.
>
> Disunification is the best solution.
>
> I suppose nothing will happen until the governments of eng-using
> countries come together with a proposal.
>
> Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
>
>
Received on Thu Dec 12 2013 - 16:54:41 CST