RE: handwritten Arabic [was: arabic number in bidi algorithm]

From: Jonathan Rosenne (rosenne@qsm.co.il)
Date: Tue Nov 02 1999 - 16:00:52 EST

Chookij,

I am not sure whether we understand each other.

What do you mean numeric number? When is a digit not a number?

"Part numbers" are a difficult question, especially if they contain Latin
letters.

Jony

At 09:39 02/11/99 -0800, Chookij Vanatham wrote:
>
>Hi Jony,
>
>Thanks for information. So, would that be always true for hebrew if it uses
>"European digits" and the direction will be always from left to right,
>for example for numeric number ?. If they want to read the digit from
right to
>left, regardingless of the meaning if it's numeric number of not, they
must use
>those hebrew alphabet instead, for example, like part number, Right ?
>
>Chookij V.
>
>] Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 19:13:51 +0200
>] From: Jonathan Rosenne <rosenne@qsm.co.il>
>] Subject: RE: handwritten Arabic [was: arabic number in bidi algorithm]
>] X-Sender: rosenne@isdnmail.co.il
>] To: Chookij Vanatham <chookij.vanatham@eng.sun.com>
>] Cc: unicode@unicode.org
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>]
>] Chookij,
>]
>] Hebrew does indeed have an alphabet. We normally use European digits, left
>] to right, but there is also a Hebrew numbering system which is used for
>] dates and list numbering and is based on Hebrew letters.
>]
>] See: http://www.qsm.co.il/hebrew/Gimatria.htm
>]
>] Jony
>]
>] At 13:31 01/11/1999 -0800, Chookij Vanatham wrote:
>] >
>] >Not too sure if Hebrew doesn't really have hebrew number alphabet.
>] >If not, just curious about hebrew number. Hebrew doesn't have "hebrew
>] alphabet".
>] >It uses "european alphabet". So, should "hebrew number" be considered even
>] it's
>] >not hebrew alphabet ? If not, then, the number in hebrew would always from
>] left
>] >to right due to the strong type character of "european digit".
>] >
>] >
>] >Chookij V.
>] >
>] >] Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 14:34:34 -0800 (PST)
>] >] From: Jonathan Rosenne <rosenne@qsm.co.il>
>] >] Subject: RE: handwritten Arabic [was: arabic number in bidi algorithm]
>] >] To: Unicode List <unicode@unicode.org>
>] >] Cc: Unicode List <unicode@unicode.org>
>] >] MIME-version: 1.0
>] >]
>] >] It is the same for Hebrew. Numbers from left to right, guessing what is
>] >] enough space, and vowels right to left.
>] >]
>] >] Jony
>] >]
>] >] At 15:43 28/10/99 -0700, Reynolds, Gregg wrote:
>] >] >Right to left on all counts, according to my colleague from
Pakistan, who
>] >] >also confirms that he writes (and reads) the most significant
(leftmost)
>] >] >digit of numbers first. Which makes sense, since it reflects phonetic
>] >] >ordering. (It's the way I learned too; also in the most common
>] handwriting
>] >] >two dots gets a horizontal stroke, three a caret stroke.)
>] >] >
>] >] >-gregg
>] >] >
>] >] >> -----Original Message-----
>] >] >> From: Juliusz Chroboczek [mailto:jec@dcs.ed.ac.uk]
>] >] >> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 5:08 PM
>] >] >> To: Unicode List
>] >] >> Subject: Re: handwritten Arabic [was: arabic number in bidi
algorithm]
>] >] >>
>] >] >>
>] >] >> Mark Leisher <mleisher@crl.nmsu.edu>:
>] >] >>
>] >] >> ML> A brief verbal survey of native Arabic and Persian co-workers
says
>] >] >> ML> they all write most significant digit first in handwriting.
>] >] >>
>] >] >> And what about the dots in words with more than one? In which order
>] >] >> do they write them? Do they go back to the beginning of the word (R)
>] >] >> and write them R2L, or do they put them on backwards? Same question

>] >] >> about short vowels (assuming they are ever used in hand writing).
>] >] >>
>] >] >> J.
>] >] >>
>] >] >
>] >
>

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