RE: handwritten Arabic [was: arabic number in bidi algorithm]

From: Chookij Vanatham (chookij.vanatham@eng.sun.com)
Date: Tue Nov 02 1999 - 12:39:29 EST


Hi Jony,

Thanks for information. So, would that be always true for hebrew if it uses
"European digits" and the direction will be always from left to right,
for example for numeric number ?. If they want to read the digit from right to
left, regardingless of the meaning if it's numeric number of not, they must use
those hebrew alphabet instead, for example, like part number, Right ?

Chookij V.

] Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 19:13:51 +0200
] From: Jonathan Rosenne <rosenne@qsm.co.il>
] Subject: RE: handwritten Arabic [was: arabic number in bidi algorithm]
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] To: Chookij Vanatham <chookij.vanatham@eng.sun.com>
] Cc: unicode@unicode.org
] MIME-version: 1.0
]
] Chookij,
]
] Hebrew does indeed have an alphabet. We normally use European digits, left
] to right, but there is also a Hebrew numbering system which is used for
] dates and list numbering and is based on Hebrew letters.
]
] See: http://www.qsm.co.il/hebrew/Gimatria.htm
]
] Jony
]
] At 13:31 01/11/1999 -0800, Chookij Vanatham wrote:
] >
] >Not too sure if Hebrew doesn't really have hebrew number alphabet.
] >If not, just curious about hebrew number. Hebrew doesn't have "hebrew
] alphabet".
] >It uses "european alphabet". So, should "hebrew number" be considered even
] it's
] >not hebrew alphabet ? If not, then, the number in hebrew would always from
] left
] >to right due to the strong type character of "european digit".
] >
] >
] >Chookij V.
] >
] >] Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 14:34:34 -0800 (PST)
] >] From: Jonathan Rosenne <rosenne@qsm.co.il>
] >] Subject: RE: handwritten Arabic [was: arabic number in bidi algorithm]
] >] To: Unicode List <unicode@unicode.org>
] >] Cc: Unicode List <unicode@unicode.org>
] >] MIME-version: 1.0
] >]
] >] It is the same for Hebrew. Numbers from left to right, guessing what is
] >] enough space, and vowels right to left.
] >]
] >] Jony
] >]
] >] At 15:43 28/10/99 -0700, Reynolds, Gregg wrote:
] >] >Right to left on all counts, according to my colleague from Pakistan, who
] >] >also confirms that he writes (and reads) the most significant (leftmost)
] >] >digit of numbers first. Which makes sense, since it reflects phonetic
] >] >ordering. (It's the way I learned too; also in the most common
] handwriting
] >] >two dots gets a horizontal stroke, three a caret stroke.)
] >] >
] >] >-gregg
] >] >
] >] >> -----Original Message-----
] >] >> From: Juliusz Chroboczek [mailto:jec@dcs.ed.ac.uk]
] >] >> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 5:08 PM
] >] >> To: Unicode List
] >] >> Subject: Re: handwritten Arabic [was: arabic number in bidi algorithm]
] >] >>
] >] >>
] >] >> Mark Leisher <mleisher@crl.nmsu.edu>:
] >] >>
] >] >> ML> A brief verbal survey of native Arabic and Persian co-workers says
] >] >> ML> they all write most significant digit first in handwriting.
] >] >>
] >] >> And what about the dots in words with more than one? In which order
] >] >> do they write them? Do they go back to the beginning of the word (R)
] >] >> and write them R2L, or do they put them on backwards? Same question
] >] >> about short vowels (assuming they are ever used in hand writing).
] >] >>
] >] >> J.
] >] >>
] >] >
] >



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