Re: OT (Kind of): Determining whether Locales are left-to-right or

Date: Sat Dec 09 2000 - 06:25:17 EST

I think I see what Tex is saying. He's saying that the DATA locale may
affect display of some page elements. For example the table containing
result sets might be laid out RTL if the result set is RTL. This implies
to me, however, that the result set has an intrinsic locale, as opposed
to just specific data in specific fields.

If the result set is "multilingual", I don't think that the data locale
should affect the chrome of how the result set is displayed. If the result
set is *always* within a single locale then this might be a different

I also agree with Tex that the user must be provided with a way to
override the user locale that the browser negotiates with the server. But
(I think) I differ with him in thinking that the new setting should result
in a new user locale (e.g. select ar_EG to see an Egyptian Arabic RTL
layout, select en_US to see a US English layout, etc.).

Which means that you may wish to provide for non-localized but RTL laid
out versions of specific locales if this is a common requirement of your
application (e.g. an ar_EG locale page that is not actually translated
into Arabic, for example)

Best Regards,


Addison P. Phillips Principal Consultant
Inter-Locale LLC
Los Gatos, CA, USA

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On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, David Tooke wrote:

> > Since you have the technology to flip the page direction, it is easy to
> make a button override. And as
> > there are examples where the user's locale is wrong for establishing the
> page direction, it seems silly to me > to ask the user to change his locale
> Tex,
> I appreciate what you are saying. I do think, however, that the user's
> selected locale should establish (at least initially) the page direction. I
> can see that we should probably allow the page direction change as well as
> the locale change. I really think that the locale should set the default
> for the page direction. As I said before, I thinking switching between an
> Arabic locale and US English *should* flip the page direction. It seems
> fundementally wrong to have the user have to make that switch as well as
> changing the locale. I think having the locale as ar_EG and the direction
> as "LTR" or the locale as en_US and the direction of "RTL" should be the
> exception rather than the rule. The user should have to explicitly set
> these states. Otherwise ar_EG = RTL and en_US = LTR.

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