From: Jony Rosenne (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Date: Fri Aug 01 2003 - 03:14:00 EDT
The characters in the block FBxx are deprecated and are not needed. The are
equivalent to their decomposed sequence.
In Hebrew, there are basically three layers: The letters, which are
mandatory, the points, which are optional and indicate vowels and other
pronunciation variations, and cantillation marks which are also optional and
It is possible to use partial pointing, marking only some of the letters.
Cantillation marks are used only with the Bible and not always.
Some marks are difficult to classify.
It should be possible to compare and mix plain Hebrew, without any points
and cantillation marks, with pointed or fully marked Hebrew.
Thus, there is only one letter Shin, commonly unpointed and representing
both Shin and Sin. In pointed text, the Shin and Sin points are added.
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org] On Behalf Of Ted Hopp
> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 1:00 AM
> To: Peter Kirk
> Cc: John Cowan; email@example.com
> Subject: SPAM: Re: Hebrew Vav Holam
> On Thursday, July 31, 2003 6:32 PM, Peter Kirk wrote:
> > We mustn't forget that unusual combinations are sometimes
> > For example, there are languages which use Hebrew base
> characters with
> > Arabic vowel points. We mustn't make these illegal sequences in
> > Unicode without very good reason.
> But we shouldn't introduce the possibility for new,
> meaningless sequences without very good reason, either. A new
> character is being discussed as a minimal change needed to
> address a specific need in Hebrew. Let's not introduce
> generality for the sake of generality. (Personally, I'd be
> curious as to why there are three characters HEBREW LETTER
> SHIN, HEBREW POINT SHIN DOT, and HEBREW POINT SIN DOT instead
> of three characters HEBREW LETTER SHIN, HEBREW LETTER SHIN
> WITH SHIN DOT, and HEBREW LETTER SHIN WITH SIN DOT, without
> the need for alphabetic presentation forms for the latter
> two. Was this alternative considered and rejected? If so, the
> rationale might be useful to this discussion.)
> I certainly hope it isn't that people prefer a new combining
> mark instead of a letter because, "Gee, there'll be lots of
> things people will be able to do with this!" Save it for
> Ken's new block of combining dots. :)
> Ted Hopp, Ph.D.
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