Re: Pre-1923 characters?

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Date: Fri Jan 02 2004 - 21:59:06 EST

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    From: "Peter Kirk" <>
    To: "John Hudson" <>
    Cc: "D. Starner" <>; <>
    Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2004 1:57 AM
    Subject: Re: Pre-1923 characters?

    > On 02/01/2004 15:22, John Hudson wrote:
    > > At 12:19 PM 1/2/2004, D. Starner wrote:
    > >
    > >> Can I assume that both the Pan-Turkic
    > >> Latin orthography and the Pan-Nigerian alphabet postdate that?
    > >
    > >
    > > The Pan-Turkic Latin orthography developed out of the modern Turkish
    > > orthography and Latin alphabets in use in the Soviet Turkic republics
    > > in the 1920s. ...
    > Vice versa for Turkish, surely? Turkey didn't adopt the Latin alphabet,
    > at least formally, until 1928.
    > > ... Most of the latter alphabets were formalised after 1923, but some
    > > languages were already using Latin alongside Arabic earlier than that.
    > > For example, the Azeri communist newspaper _Yeni Yol_ used Latin
    > > exclusively from 1920.
    > >
    > OK. They weren't pan-Turkic until later, though. And I wasn't aware of
    > Latin script publications as early as 1920, although a Latin, or mixed
    > Latin-Cyrillic, alphabet was proposed in Azerbaijan as early as 1878.
    > Latin was a second official script in Azerbaijan from 20th October 1923,
    > and this early script seems to have included the following non-Latin-1
    > characters (plus capital equivalents):
    > U+0259 ə

    > U+01A3 ƣ

    > ?? dotless i with a hook to the right (possibly U+0269 ɩ
    i.e. LATIN SMALL LETTER IOTA (please use character names so that we
    don't always have to open the UnicodeData.txt file in the database).

    >, but it actually looks more like a small caps L with a descender at the
    > hand end)

    Isn't it exactly the definition of the lowercase iota? Or do you mean that
    hook at the bottom of iota should extend from its current baseline to with a
    descender, like a mirrored dot-less 'j' ?

    Or do you mean really a snigle vertical stroke without a required hook
    where in that case it would be a variant of dotless i with a long leg below
    baseline, so an intermediate between the standard dotless i and the standard
    dotless j, and similar in variant formation to the two variants of long-s
    a long leg below the baseline or a short leg on the baseline.

    In my opinion your description looks more like a iota than to a lowercase
    letter (that looks more like an 'o' ligated with a following dotless
    reversed 'j',
    or looks more similar to a lowercase 'g' with some fonts like Arial U.MS.)

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