Re: Philippe's Management of Microsoft (was: Re: Yoruba Keyboard)

From: Edward H. Trager (
Date: Fri May 07 2004 - 20:34:58 CDT

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    On Friday 2004.05.07 12:17:58 +0100, Raymond Mercier wrote:
    > Kenneth Whistler writes, replying to Philippe
    > > This kind of long-winded harangue about how Microsoft should manage its
    > > business is OT for this list and is generally insulting to the Microsoft
    > > participants as well. Please take it elsewhere and do not bother the
    > > Unicode list with your management plans for Microsoft's internal
    > > business.
    > It is all very well to mock Philippe, but IE6 fails badly if it cannot even
    > display CJK(A) in UTF8, something Mozilla does perfectly well. If there are
    > Microsoft participants in this list perhaps they could explain this failure.
    > Broadly speaking I am pro-Microsoft, but this behaviour in IE6 reflects
    > badly on them.
    > Raymond Mercier

    Although I haven't personally experienced any significant UTF-8 issues with IE6,
    in the development labs where I work, we have found IE6 to have significant
    bugs and inadequacies in its implementations of CSS 1
    and CSS 2 which make the browser nearly useless for some of our new intranet
    applications. As a result, we use Mozilla which seems to have the best support
    for the W3C CSS 1, CSS 2, and DOM standards. We have found that Opera and Konqueror/Safari
    (Safari uses Konqueror's KHTML renderer with additional tweaks by Apple) come
    in 2nd and 3rd place, respectively, with respect to supporting the features
    of these standards that we are most interested in. IE always seems to come in
    last place on our tests.

    When I have pondered why this is, I have come to the conclusion that Microsoft
    as a *corporate entity* must simply not care (Note that this statement does
    not in any way imply a lack of sincere commitment from individuals who work for
    MS, regardless of whether they read this list or not...). Since MS has the largest share of
    the browser market with IE, perhaps they feel they do not need to compete in that market,
    whereas of course Opera and Apple and the KDE people are very interested in improving their
    browser products (which have to compete with IE which is already pre-installed on something like
    94% of the PCs on the planet). I assume that Microsoft considers other technologies
    -- .Net, C#, Longhorn, whatever -- as bigger fish to fry, relegating IE to some
    sort of "been there, done that" position in the larger realm of things.


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