Default Ordering (was: Re: Phoenician)

From: Kenneth Whistler (
Date: Fri May 07 2004 - 22:19:46 CDT

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    Mark is right. This is because of the peculiar nature of the Japanese
    writing system, which itself mixes several scripts, and which
    has the two syllabaries isomorphic to each other.
    (Encoded as distinct scripts, by the
    way, despite their clear and evident historic relationship
    to each other, and despite the fact that Japanese can obviously
    read both of them with great facility -- if you guys want to
    take that particular bone in your mouth and chew on it for
    awhile... consider Kana the 48CEAS *hehe*)

    Since it made sense to have the default treatment
    of Hiragana and Katakana for sorting work "correctly" for
    Japanese, and since Japanese interleaves the two scripts in
    ordering, the table itself was generated with interleaved
    primary weights for Hiragana and Katakana.

    If it turns out to make the most sense for a default table
    to have 22CWSA scripts (as John puts it) sort with interleaved
    primary weights, it is technically feasible to generate a
    table that way. (Although not for Hebrew versus Arabic versus
    Syriac, which are treated distinctly for primary weights now.)

    It isn't a foregone conclusion what the UTC and WG2 will do on
    this issue -- it, like the encoding of the Phoenician
    (~ Old Canaanite, ~ Old West Semitic) script itself, is a
    matter for technical debate and decision.


    > We do actually mix scripts. Hiragana and Katakana are interleaved.
    > Mark

    > > At 15:46 -0400 2004-05-07, wrote:

    > > >This could be solved by making Phoenician and Hebrew base characters
    > > >equivalent
    > > >at the first level of collation.
    > >
    > > Not in the default template; we don't mix scripts. But Semiticists
    > > who wanted to mix the two could tailor the ordering, of course.
    > > --
    > > Michael Everson * * Everson Typography * *

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