Re: Fraktur yet again (was: Re: Response to Everson Phoenician and why June 7?)

From: Dean Snyder (
Date: Mon May 24 2004 - 08:37:30 CDT

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    Doug Ewell wrote at 5:12 PM on Sunday, May 23, 2004:

    >I absolutely DO disagree with the premise that lots of people would use
    >a separate Fraktur encoding. To my knowledge there has been no request
    >for one, and no serious desire on the part of scholars or anyone else to
    >encode Fraktur text separately from Antiqua text.

    Don't forget I said "lots of people RELATIVE to the potential number of
    users for separately encoded Phoenician."

    Do you disagree with THAT?

    >I believe users would
    >find it troublesome in the extreme to create a new encoding to represent
    >German-language text where there has only been one before (unlike the
    >apparent situation with Phoenician).

    Why would separately encoded Fraktur be troublesome? If your answer is
    what I expect, then this is precisely what I am saying for Palaeo-Hebrew
    (aka Phoenician) and Jewish-Hebrew (aka Square Hebrew).

    >Dean, if you insist on using Fraktur as an example that Unicode does not
    >separately encode script variants or font variants or "diascripts"
    >(whatever that means) ...

    Diascript is to script as dialect is to language - part of a continuum of
    relatively minor variations.

    >that "lots of people" would use, you must show
    >some shred of evidence that "lots of people" would in fact use a
    >separate Fraktur encoding. Does that make sense? Saying "that is my
    >opinion" does not constitute evidence. Otherwise the analogy is

    Obviously - but only the number-of-potential-users analogy would be
    pointless, and not the inner script analogy comparing Fraktur/Roman with


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