From: Michael Everson (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Date: Sat Jul 10 2004 - 06:20:14 CDT
At 17:34 -0700 2004-07-09, Mark Davis wrote:
>What I think we should be examining is which of the items that are not
>interfiled (to use your phrasing) should be, if any. I don't think
>everything should be. In particular, I think John's list is the list we
>should be focusing on.
I think most of what is in John [Cowan]'s list
are letters which are quite properly not
interfiled with "base" letters. The African hook
letters (which I have mentioned many times, and
which you have ignored in favour of the Danish
letters you are more familiar with) are there.
> > John's list?
>That's was in my original mail, that you were commenting on when you changed
>the subject line, but which you didn't apparently didn't bother to actually
Sweet of you to say.
> > My point is made here. It is really only in
>> initial position where this is likely to be
>This is incorrect. It will make a difference in other positions. Sorting
>"Søren" after "Sozar" in a long list, if someone isn't expecting it, will
>cause problems. They look for it after "Soret", don't see it on the page,
>and assume it isn't there; fooled by the fact that it is on a completely
No way! Do you expect your default tailorable
template to suddenly and magically relieve the
user of the problems of long lists and multi-page
typesetting? Sheesh. No matter how much you
jiggle either the template or a tailoring for
people who only know the letters A-Z, there will
be edge cases which will fail this kind of test.
>Remember that the collation sequence is also used for language-sensitive
>matching as well as sorting.
> > What I want is the status quo, however.
>> Leave the template and its principles alone.
>Stability is important, and we want to consider that very carefully before
>making any change. However, I believe that the current way we handle a few
>characters in UCA is distinctly suboptimal, and worth considering.
John [Cowan]'s list is not "a few characters".
-- Michael Everson * * Everson Typography * * http://www.evertype.com
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