Re: Changing UCA primary weights (bad idea)

From: Mark Davis (
Date: Mon Jul 12 2004 - 20:12:21 CDT

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    Checking the DIN 5007, it indeed says that letters with diacritics are
    sorted with the same primary weight (Section and explicitly lists
    in "overstrikes" as being diacritics, and gives Ł as an example of


    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Markus Scherer" <>
    To: "unicode" <>
    Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 16:13
    Subject: Re: Changing UCA primary weights (bad idea)

    > Mark Davis wrote:
    > > So the question is whether Sybase tailorings, such as German, will be
    > > affected positively or negatively, and to what degree. If a German
    > > is accessing a database full of European names, and expects to find Ę
    > > E, and Ą with A and Ż with Z and Ł with L, then he will be right
    > > for the last one.
    > I am quite sure that DIN 5007 (the German collation standard) specifies an
    ordering like what John &
    > Mark have proposed - for primary weights, strip accents etc. While it is
    still hard to implement
    > something _completely_ conformant to DIN 5007 (try numeric sorting of
    roman numbers), it would be
    > nice to get a bit closer.
    > [I am still looking for my copy of DIN 5007. Insert complaint about such
    standards not being online.]
    > Also, intuitively and personally, I would much prefer if ø and ö and such
    were all "interleaved"
    > with o, for the reasons several repliers stated.
    > I don't see eng and other such letters in John's list, by the way, which
    should ease Michael's
    > concern about interleaving eng with e.
    > As for sorting IPA, I think it's a non-issue for most of its users because
    they will see IPA in
    > dictionaries which are sorted for the language, not for the pronunciation.
    > Best regards,
    > markus
    > --
    > Opinions expressed here may not reflect my company's positions unless
    otherwise noted.

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