Re: Glottal Fantasy (was: Apostrophes)

From: E. Bashir (ebashir@yahoo.com)
Date: Sat Nov 19 2005 - 15:14:01 CST

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    The glottal stop is a plosive consonant. It has a
    distinct IPA symbol which looks somewhat like a
    "quetion mark". Check the IPA site for its exact
    appearance.

    E. Bashir

    --- Richard Wordingham
    <richard.wordingham@ntlworld.com> wrote:

    > Dr.James Austin wrote:
    >
    > > Kenneth Whistler has two points we must agree
    > with, really.
    > > (1) whereas there are the expressions like
    > 'glottal stop' , 'glottal
    > > sound',
    > > there really is no such speech sound. A speech
    > sound must be either a
    > > vocoid
    > > (go by a vowel letter), or a contoid (go by a
    > consonant letter) For a
    > > sound
    > > element to be qualified as a speech sound it must
    > be 'combinable' with
    > > other
    > > sounds-vowels and consonants, and, occur in the
    > beginning, middle and end
    > > of
    > > (some) words.For a consonant to be, a certain
    > point of tongue must
    > > approximate/contact a certain point on the roof of
    > the mouth.Where does
    > > the
    > > glottis sit? It is inaccessible to the tongue.
    > > 'Glottal speech sound' is a misnomer, and
    > represents a phantasy.
    >
    > I believe /h/, /p/ and /b/, /f/ and /v/ are also
    > consonants, but the tongue
    > is not involved in their production. The production
    > of 'th' of English
    > 'think' does not involve any part of the roof of the
    > mouth.
    >
    > If the glottal stop is a phantasy, it is a common
    > enough one that in this
    > context it must be treated as reality. Actually, I
    > think the explosion of
    > the glottal stop may be distinctly audible.
    >
    > > Can you 'utter' an apostrophe independantly? Or
    > combined with just any one
    > > of the vowels?
    >
    > Aleph/alif is the prototypical glottal stop letter.
    > Glottal stop is common
    > enough as a final consonant in Estuarine English,
    > inni'? Glottal stop
    > occurs initially, intervocally and finally in Thai -
    > I can't vouch for final
    > position in Arabic.
    >
    > Richard.
    >
    >
    >

            
                    
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