RE: Arabic aleph representation of glyphs

From: CE Whitehead (
Date: Mon Mar 08 2010 - 16:38:37 CST

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    One more question regarding tanween-al-fatah:
    My hunch is that in Windows 1256 you can type in the diacritic tanween al fatah before or after the aleph and in both cases it will display fine
    (someone let me know; I was in the Arab world 1996-97 but only typed in English while there; we had something like Windows 95 and Word 6.0 I think--
    and so I don't even know if Windows 1256 was around);
    (If anyone knows how the typing order versus display of tanween-al-fatah worked on memory writers please let me know too--I've some knowledge of a manual Arabic typewriter.)




    C. E. Whitehead

    Subject: RE: Arabic aleph representation of glyphs
    Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 16:32:27 -0500

    Thanks very much to both Maher and Khaled for your great information!
    C. E. Whitehead
    > Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 07:08:20 +0200
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    > Subject: Re: Arabic aleph representation of glyphs
    > On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 03:45:54PM -0800, Maher Alnubani wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > > On 3/5/2010 2:11 PM, CE Whitehead wrote:
    > >
    > > Hi, thanks very much. You did answer my questions. I still have one
    > > more question: would any literate Arabic speaker always type the tanween
    > > al-fatah logically after the aleph seat?
    > >
    > > Yes.
    > >
    > > (Because of course the tanween al-fatah, unlike Arabic vowel diacritics
    > > elsewhere, should precede the aleph consonant seat in a visual display and
    > > not follow it--that is, in an rtl context, it should be displayed slightly
    > > to the right of the aleph--that is how I was taught and indeed how it
    > > appears in the combined character in the Unicode extended characters, and
    > > indeed that is how it appears when I type it in following the aleph [and of
    > > course, it appears this way when I type it in before too].)
    > >
    > > Well, TANWEEN AL-FATH normally appears on top of the ALEF (or the TAH MARBUTAH)
    > > not before or after it. But, in standard Arabic writing TANWEEN is the last
    > > thing to write in a word.
    > Not true, this is actually is debatable. Though the wide practice today
    > is to type the tanween after the alef (thus on top of it), still many
    > people type it before the alef since the preceding letter is the actual
    > seat of tanween (i.e. treating all tanween the same wither it is fath or
    > not). Traditionally, in hand written calligraphy, tanween al-fath comes
    > to the write of the alef, thus essentially preceding not following it.
    > Regards,
    > Khaled
    > --
    > Khaled Hosny
    > Arabic localiser and member of team
    > Free font developer

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