Fwd: Re: Samogitian E with dot above and macron

From: Arns Udovīčė (zordsdavini@gmail.com)
Date: Tue Oct 26 2010 - 01:49:32 CDT

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    Thanks Andrew and Frédéric for answers :)
    So, I understand what Unicode will not be expanded by Latin based
    letters. All the problems are fonts. I will open many bugs in Linux :)
    This asking for new letter in Unicode was for purpose to make normal
    keyboard layout (even two variants) for my nation. But I understand what
    it is needful (new letter) as ISO code „sgs“ is one thing what was needed.
    Again thank you for good info :)


    -------- Original Message --------
    Subject: Re: Samogitian E with dot above and macron
    Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 09:06:28 +1100
    From: Andrew Cunningham <lang.support@gmail.com>
    To: Arns Udovīčė <zordsdavini@gmail.com>

    Hi Arns,

    its unlikely Unicode will add an additional precomposed character,
    since the letter can, in theory, be displayed using combining

    Its very similar to some of the african languages i work with that
    require combining diacritics and diacritic stacking.

    To successfully display the character you need to treat the Latin
    script as a complex script.

    So in practice you need an operating system that can handle complex
    Latin, for windows this means windows XP SP2/3 with complex script
    language collection installed, Windows Vista or Windows 7

    Few of the system fonts will be suitable, So you'll need opentype
    fonts with mark and mkmk features for the Latin script. Some of the
    SIL fonts will be suitable: Cahis SIL, Doulos SIL, Andika Basic,
    Gentium Basic, Gentium Book Basic

    You may want to contact the developers of DejaVu fonts and ask them to
    support the character combinations you require.

    As I said, its exactly the same issues that we have to go through for
    many African languages.

    If you have any questions, please let me know.

    I've started putting together some notes on African language support.
    Some of the material will be relevant to Samogitian.



    On 25 October 2010 22:08, Arns Udovīčė<zordsdavini@gmail.com> wrote:
    > Hello all,
    > On 2010-06-30 change became effective for Samogitian
    > (http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=sgs). There are one letter
    > which has many problems with rendering. It is E/e with dot above and macron
    > (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/bat-smg/0/0f/E_smg.jpg). You can see
    > it in:
    > http://bat-smg.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C4%97rms_poslapis
    > atvīkė̄ or Vielībė̅jė. On Linux it is shown (in different shrifts) as „ė“
    > with macron between dot and letter or „ė“ with minus near letter (see
    > attachment). On Windows macron is shown as box (or I haven't any good
    > shrift). For now all writers use shrift with additional letter, ex.
    > ftp://ftp.akl.lt/sriftai/Vytis/Naujas_Vytis/Vytis_1.002/ . Simple user don't
    > use this letter - writes 'atvīkėė' or 'atvīkėn', even 'atvīkėi', but it is
    > against rules.
    > This letter was introduced in 1998 in Samogitian writing book „Žemaičių
    > rašyba“ (Samogitian writing) (ISBN: 998692071X). Latter it was used in all
    > Samogitian books. Try to use in IT is complicated.
    > What I should to do what this letter come to unicode? As I read in
    > http://www.unicode.org/pending/proposals.html it is better to deal about it
    > in this thread at first.
    > Best regards,
    > Arns Udovīčė

    Andrew Cunningham
    Senior Project Manager, Research and Development
    State Library of Victoria

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