Re: Origin of the term i18n

From: Tex Texin (
Date: Fri Oct 11 2002 - 14:49:04 EDT

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    thanks Mark.
    I have made the fixes. A refreshed browser should show them.

    Seems to me I have seen a lot of mails with n11n when we were discussing
    it in Unicode.
    And although, 1/10,000 may not seem like a trend that's a single data
    point. Perhaps if you graphed its use over time? ;-)

    thanks very much for the c9ns.

    btw, All of the terms I identified as being used (Europeanization,
    Japanization, etc.) I have seen in print. The Europeanization one
    surprised me, but it was in an old DEC book that I scanned yesterday. I
    would agree the abbreviations are not heavily used and it is most likely
    jargon used in informal notes, email, etc. and probably source code, and
    not formal documentation.

    I am also going to add this note I just got from the research analysts
    at XenCraft:

    According to XenCraft, if the software industry were to exert its
    ability to influence the English language thru its control of message
    catalogs used in software thruout the world, numeronyms (n7ms) could
    replace words completely by the year 2016 (this is the year not

    This would greatly reduce costs in the localization industry and
    increase the accuracy rate and universality of spell checkers. However,
    it would greatly increase repetitive stress injuries for the many still
    people counting characters on their fingers. Also, a great rift would
    occur within the Unicode consortium in the year 2009, as member
    companies are unable to agree as to whether ligatures count as one or
    two for the purpose of numeronyms. Finally the phone industry would move
    to a new keypad using 26 buttons for the entire english alphabet. This
    would be motivated by problems caused by numerical phone numbers
    representing numeronyms with unfortunate meanings for the owner of that
    number. The new english-coded phone ids would no longer spell anything
    in the numero-english of the year 2016.


    Mark Davis wrote:
    > Two c9ns. You write:
    > > "Apparently, this approach to abbreviating long names was humorous and was
    > generalized at DEC. The convention was applied to "internationalization" at
    > DEC. Apparently it passed to Apple quickly. Both companies were using the
    > term by 1985."
    > There is a misunderstanding. Apple had used the term "internationalization"
    > by 1985. It was not -- thank the gods -- using the a9n "i18n". I don't know
    > if they started using it after I left in the early 90's.
    > The phrase "was humorous" should be changed to "was intended to be humorous"
    > > "The terms Canonicalization and Normalization, defined more recently, also
    > have numeronym forms (c14n and n11n), evidence of a trend now in the i18n
    > community to define numeronyms for lengthy words ending in "ization". "
    > Sorry to appear the curmudgeon, but I've never seen any but a relatively few
    > people use this goofy form of abbreviation, and then for only a few of the
    > words on your web page. A search for "normalization" and "Unicode" yields
    > 32,800 enties on Google. A search for "n11n" yields 3.
    > Not a trend.
    > Mark
    > __________________________________
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    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "Tex Texin" <>
    > To: "Unicoders" <>; "NE Localization SIG"
    > <>
    > Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 00:36
    > Subject: Origin of the term i18n
    > > In an incredible feat of procrastination (p13n) for other things I
    > > should have been doing,
    > > I summarized and excerpted the thread on the origin of the term i18n and
    > > put it on my web site:
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > tex
    > >
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    > > Tex Texin cell: +1 781 789 1898
    > > Xen Master
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    > > XenCraft
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    > >
    > >

    Tex Texin   cell: +1 781 789 1898
    Xen Master                
    Making e-Business Work Around the World

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