Re: Gwoyeu Romatzyh marking the optional neutral tone

From: Christoph Burgmer (
Date: Mon Jul 13 2009 - 04:52:25 CDT

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    > Charlie Ruland schrieb:
    > > No, Robert, what Christoph was looking for was not an IPA character to
    > > mark voicelessness, but a Gwoyeu Romatzyh transcription character to
    > > express optional tone neutralization.
    > >
    > > I personally do not expect there is an ‘encouraged’ Unicode character
    > > for this marginal case which is by no means standard Gwoyeu Romatzyh
    > > usage.

    Who defines standard GR here, if Chao doesn't? Or, as somebody else mentioned
    to me: If Chao is so influential shouldn't his forms be viewed as being

    > > Seeing that compulsory neutral tone is expressed with a full stop
    > > (u+002E) I wonder if Y. R. Chao didn’t have an ideographic full stop
    > > (u+3002) in mind when he was looking for a way to express optional
    > > tone neutralization. The only trouble is: in all *computer* fonts I
    > > know this character always has ‘full width’, so it doesn’t look as
    > > intended...

    Oh, this might be possible, too.

    The 3 pictures all stem from the same book. In 'A Grammar of Spoken Chinese'
    by Chao the optional tone is more rendered like a small Latin O, less roundish
    and with stronger sides (excuse my non-typographic description). I'll post a
    picture once I can get hold of my camera.


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